And in this corner, Madonna: 49, married lady, mother of three and still fierce in some glorified undies.
With an album dropping in late April and a documentary about Malawi, I Am Because We Are, due to be released this year, the not-so-material-anymore girl sat down with Interview magazine's Ingrid Sischy for her final issue, to talk Africa, albums, and freedom. Read on for excerpts!
On working with Justin Timberlake:
"I really enjoy writing with Justin...We had psychoanalytic sessions
whenever we wrote songs first. We'd sit down and we'd start talking
about situations. And then we'd start talking about issues or problems
or relationships with people. That was the only way, because you know,
writing together with somebody is very intimate...that was fun, because
he's open and he's got talent. He's a songwriter. I haven't worked with
a lot of songwriters where I'm instantly connected and start riffing
and playing with the rhythm of the words. He's as interested in the
rhythm of the words as the meaning of the words."
On adopting her son David: "He wouldn't have lived if I hadn't taken him. It's not even a possibility."
On gaining perspective:
"We live very comfortable lives, and unfortunately, we have to have our
noses rubbed in other people's pain and suffering to realize how much
we have and how much we have to be grateful for."
On bringing daughter Lourdes with her to Malawi:
"She spent several weeks working in the orphanages, particularly one
with newborn children, and most of them were HIV-positive. She so came
into her own and was so responsible and stayed for eight hours every
day and worked tirelessly. I thought, why am I babying her so much?
She's capable of so much more. We don't let kids do anything. We think,
Oh, they're kids -- they can't take care of other kids; they can't do
this; they can't do that. And after you go to Africa, you drop all that
silliness."
On freedom: "Freedom is a funny word because
when we think we're free, we're not really. I think freedom is quite
illusory....When I stop thinking about myself all the time and put
other people before me on a regular basis, that's real freedom. When I
can love unconditionally...then that's real freedom. So it's something
to strive for, but I'm not free."
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